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Change the rule regarding approved mods.

Should they change the rule?

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Magma

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: MagmaC4
Auralock Dark Follower Phoenix Raven Vampire Werewolf SPEW
#1
Right now if you were to use a mod that isn't on the approved list you would instantly perm banned.

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I feel like this is too harsh of a punishment. Before VR mods were specifically allowed on the list you could get instantly perm banned for it. Of course I don't think CM would issue a punishment, but the rules state that they are within the power to do so. I think the rules should be changed from an instant perm ban for any unapproved mod, to use at your own risk (Just like Hypixel's rules). Obviously there would still be the list of approved mods and blacklisted mods, but for the mods that aren't either approved or blacklisted should be put in the use at your own risk category. This is so players can still use mods that don't have to go through an approval system and have the rules on the website updated every time a mod is determined to be fair. Players can still ask for clarification about mods they are unsure about.

Another suggestion I have that doesn't really have to go with the one above is mods that give features that give both advantages and fair features should be allowed. As long as the unfair or blacklisted features can be turned off they should be allowed. Hypixel allows a mod called Toggle Sneak. It has two features, toggle sneak and toggle sprint. But only the toggle sprint option is allowed. I don't know how realistic this would be, but it's just an idea.
 

FlatJambo

Graduate
Minecraft IGN: FlatJambo
Honeybadger Auralock
#2
My friend got banned for using a client very similar to Labymod and we extremely upset. I feel like the clients allowed should maybe be reviewed and the list should be redone. I am not sure about the mods, but it's always good to see.
 

Somnambulist

Librarian
Minecraft IGN: Psycho
Phoenix Raven Werewolf
#3
I would expect that a player having an unapproved mod on would get a verbal warning and maybe a kick with a note attached saying that they had an unapproved mod and to remove it before joining the server again.
This is assuming that this is the player's first offense on having an unapproved mod. But if this player continues to play with that mod on the server then yeah, a timed ban or a ban until appealed would be suitable, but having an instant perm-ban seems harsh.

I kinda like your idea of the "use at your own risk" category where mods that aren't mentioned in the blacklisted list don't have a harsher punishment. For example, the mods listed under Blacklisted could give the player a 1 month ban for using the mod under that list. BUT, a mod that hasn't been listed yet could give a player a kick and notification or a 1 week ban if the mod in question is suspicious and skirts the Blacklisted mod list.

Also, the Modified Clients list should be continually updated, when possible, such as whenever a player is using a new mod that isn't listed in either category but gets punished for it - that's when the mod should be added to the blacklist. It doesn't have to list every single mod out there, but only the ones that are being used by players on the server. An example is just last week, a player asked a question on Discord regarding the Dynamic Surroundings mod, there was some talk about it and @Sunnya mentioned that the Lead Prefects and Heads were discussing the mod and would make a final decision about it - as soon as they finish figuring out what to do with that mod, then I would expect to see it in the approved or blacklisted section within a month at least.

Side note: I've only used Optifine and Labymod on the server.
 

1psaonly

Dragonologist
Minecraft IGN: 1psaonly
Dark Follower Serpent
#4
i agree! i feel like having an insta perm ban for anyone that goes onto the server with an unapproved mod is wayy too strict, and can be discouraging for new players to join the community! for example, say you use something like the badilion client because you have a cool cape, and you really like harry potter, so you look up harry potter minecraft roleplay server and click on the first result, potterworld! like many people starting out a new server, you dont often read the rules before you join. you just assume you will be fine as long as you use common sense, like be respectful, don't use hacked clients, and other common sense stuff. but you join and instantly get banned, and you don't know why. I often join servers not knowing the rules first. I just assume as long as I don't hack or say bad words I will be fine. Labymod is on a use at your own risk thing on hypixel. Since labymod was my default client for potterworld, it would really have sucked if i joined hypixel with labymod on and didn't know the rules, just wanting to play with friends, and then instantly got banned for unapproved client, even though i didn't know that in the beginning. often times players don't read not allowed clients and stuff, especially if something was client side only or so. i super agree with magma's point on this one!
 

Motionic

Notable Magician
Minecraft IGN: Motionic
Dark Follower Griffin Vampire
#7
Hello @Magma! Thank you so much for submitting this suggestion! We are always looking for ways to make the server fair for everyone. I will bring up this idea with the other poltergeists and we will discuss it further. I will get back to you with a response once we have reached our decision. Have a wonderful day!
 

Callie

Graduate
Minecraft IGN: ProbsAMistake
Auralock Dark Follower Griffin Phoenix Vampire Werewolf
#8
Kinda late to this haha, and while I can agree to their being less of a wide-open "If you use any mods not listed here you'll get a perm-ban" I don't think all mods not approved or blacklisted should be used at a "use at your own risk" rate. It makes it harder to understand what is really allowed, and people could argue that they don't know what they're doing is bad, since it's not technically against the rules. If there were guidelines such as "this type of mod is at a use at your own risk status where we hold the right to ban you but this type is not, it's just against the rules" it's easier to tell what is and isn't against the rules if that makes sense. I think there should still be an approval system if people want anything added to the list of mods you can use all the time worry free.
 

Pankakes

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: Pankakes_81
Griffin
#9
It makes it harder to understand what is really allowed, and people could argue that they don't know what they're doing is bad, since it's not technically against the rules.
Honestly, it is more hard to understand now. Especially, when the list isn't updated and staff changes their asnwer to allowed mods per player. What I mean by that:

Here's a question from a player asking about Dynamic Surroundings, client-side, non-gameplay altering mod:
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Along with Head Staff approving it.

Fast forward to September, I've been asked by gospojken to remove Dynamic Surroundings because "it provides some advantages". I obliged and deleted it. I also asked for the list to be updated:
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The list has yet to be updated.

I also asked once again about Dynamic Surroundings and why they aren't (yes, plural, since mod's been split since 1.14) allowed and I got this answer:
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"The mod adds a lot of visual changes that could create slight advantages used on the server"
The changes are 95% to the audio, by adding ambient sounds such as waterfall splashing, wind whistling, reverb etc. The visual stuff is particles.

For example, someone using the mod could easily find things involved in gameplay such as quests and events way easier than players without it
It doesn't feature a minimap, or wallhack, or anything similar to that. The only thing that may be unfair is showing light levels, but that can be achieved with shaders as well or just by pressin F3 in vanilla. I think it makes it even harder to find things by sound, since it doesn't travel through blocks that easily.

The mod is not on our allowed mods list (found on our website) for this reason
But it's not blacklisted either

So now I'm torn. Should I continue using Dynamic Surroundings knowing it's basically "shaders for sound" and relying on the Head Staff comment saying it's allowed. Or should I risk a ban because other Staff asked me not to use it and didn't provide clear reason why it's not allowed.

TLDR: Staff should be consistent with their answers regarding unlisted mods and if they want to blacklist a mod they should actually try the mod to determine if it's game-breaking or not and update the list on the web.
 

Magma

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: MagmaC4
Auralock Dark Follower Phoenix Raven Vampire Werewolf SPEW
#10
I don't think all mods not approved or blacklisted should be used at a "use at your own risk" rate. It makes it harder to understand what is really allowed, and people could argue that they don't know what they're doing is bad, since it's not technically against the rules.
I don't get that point. The whole idea of a "use at your own risk rule" is if a staff member deems that you are using a mod that gives an unfair advantage you are fully responsible for the punishment. It's supposed to allow people to use fair mods that don't have to go through a long and messy approval system. Like I said above, you can always ask staff to make sure you are using an okay mod, but again it's at your own risk and if you did make a bad judgement about a mod it's your fault.
 

1psaonly

Dragonologist
Minecraft IGN: 1psaonly
Dark Follower Serpent
#11
i agree, in hypixel if you get banned for a use at your own risk mod, it's on you. it is sort of like how potterworld is not responsible for your account being hacked and then the person breaking rules like that. it is a your fault type of thing, where if you get banned for it oh well but use common sense.
 

Callie

Graduate
Minecraft IGN: ProbsAMistake
Auralock Dark Follower Griffin Phoenix Vampire Werewolf
#12
I definitely agree with you that stuff needs to be cleared up, that's 100% something I agree with. However placing everything that isn't approved or blacklisted in a use at your own risk category then makes it harder for moderators to tell what can and can't be used as well, considering that every time we see a mod/client being used we then have to check with a Lead Prefect if it is okay, which takes up a lot of our time as well. There's already a lot of people who get banned for using a client they didn't know was against the rules (though that is not an excuse), and adding a grey area just doesn't seem like the best ideas for players or staff. The approval system exists so that Head Staff can look at a mod beforehand to see if it would be against our rules or not.

For the "stuff" that needs clearing up. I see the valid point @Pankakes made about staff being inconsistent with players, and that's something I agree needs to change, but it's hard as well since we have that wide open list of "don't use this" so when there's something that wouldn't be against the rules it's harder for both players and staff to tell what's okay to use and what isn't.
 

DizWon

New Magician
Minecraft IGN: DizWon
Dark Follower Griffin
#13
I have another dollar...

First off:
I play on PMC for years together with my girlfriend and we started to use LabyMod 4 days ago, when I read the post on discord that the command "/ping" is now useable to all players, because of fairness due to the fact that LabyMod-Users could use it before too...
Until that day we only used Optifine and I was glad with it, but now I started thinking about other possible features, so I downloaded LabyMod and installed it for us with forge in version 1.12.2 and for the first time I checked all addons and so we started with using LabyMod...
After the first login to the hud we got the message, that there are two addons installed with our client which are not allowed on the server. The messages looked like "VoiceChat is not allowed on this server!" and "DamageIndicator is not allowed on this server!", so I disabled and deinstalled these both addons, but installed other addons like FriendTag, ChatTime and AutoRelog on the other hand and restarted the clients...
The warning messages were gone and I began to set up and individual GUI for us, looking forward for all the features we are now able to use like the DirectionHud and Chatfilters for example, which I really don't want to miss anymore...
After some hours of trying out I found the best LabyMod settings for us and now we are happy LabyMod-Users...

My dollar:
I started now to search for any hints about other mods, which are possibly allowed and I found the Server Rules, where you can read the following:

You will get an instant permanent ban, if you are using ANY unapproved mods on the server!

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FPS-Enhancers(?), HUD-Enhancement(?), Music Mods(?) and LabyMod is approved!
Minimap, Keybindings Mods, Damage Indicators and LabyMod Voice Chat is blacklisted!

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THE PERFECT CONFUSION!!!
There are blacklisted features with an approved mod or is there an approved mod with blacklisted features?
Also there was no warning message for using the Minimap addon like it was for the DamageIndicator or the VoiceChat and also there is no "LabyMod" in front of the "Minimap" in the blacklist, like you can see it with "LabyMod Voice Chat". But with "Damage Indicators" you can alse see no "LabyMod" in front and the LabyMod DamageIndicator addon is not allowed.
If you look at the Laby-Minimap settings, you can see that some functions of the Minimap are disabled by the server, for example the function to see other players in the minimap or the function to see caves in the underground...

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And in the thread LabyMod Update you can read that LabyMod was allowed, because they blocked all features they didn't want players to use like some of the features in the Laby-Minimap...

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My questions:

1.) Can you now use Labymod without the DamageIndicator or the VoiceChat addon, but using it's Laby-Minimap without using the not allowed features or is the Laby-Minimap also blacklisted?

2.) If the Laby-Minimap is fully blacklisted, why are some functions of he Minimap especially not allowed, if the whole feature is not allowed itself?

3.) What are FPS-Enhancers, HUD-Enhancement and Music Mods? Is there a special list for allowed HUD Enhancement for example or is it risky to use any of them, because the are unapproved?


We really don't want to be banned due to such inaccuracies or stupid mistakes...
We invested a lot of time and money in our characters, so it would be a big loss to us to lose our characters...


I think, you should think about change and clearify these rules for everyone and help the new and
inexperienced players insted of banning older players for improving their game with some harmless mods...
Improving gameplay is the only reason every mod ever was created at all. So I would prefer to give the new players some hints on how to install and set up these mods for them too, like we started using LabyMod now and enjoy the improvements... =)

Please don't forget to answer my questions...
 
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Pankakes

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: Pankakes_81
Griffin
#14
You will get an instant permanent ban, if you are using ANY unapproved mods on the server!



FPS-Enhancers(?), HUD-Enhancement(?), Music Mods(?) and LabyMod is approved!
Minimap, Keybindings Mods, Damage Indicators and LabyMod Voice Chat is blacklisted!
It's not only LabyMod that's confusing.

Take Macros and Keybinding mods for example. The list talks about mods, however, many keyboards and mice come with programmable buttons (Corsair keyboards have every single button programmable) Is that allowed?

Answer: Anything that gives you an advantage over other players isn't allowed......but having 60FPS compared to someone that has 15FPS is an advantage as well, or someone that has OptiFine zoom has an advantage as well over someone that doesn't.
"But that's a hardware limitation, not everyone has a good computer."
Well, not everyone has a keyboard with programmable keys either.

So are Macros / Keybinds or Macro-mods / Keybind-mods blacklisted?

Another one is "FPS Enhancers" in general that are allowed. There's a mod called "FoamFix", it's not a FPS enhancer, but a RAM enhancer.
Another mod is Phosphor mod, it focuses on Lighting engine and chunk generation, not on FPS directly.

However, such things are not listed under approved mods nor are they blacklisted. Does that mean they're not allowed and players should be perma banned according to the rules?

3.) What are FPS-Enhancers, HUD-Enhancement and Music Mods? Is there a special list for allowed HUD Enhancement for example or is it risky to use any of them, because the are unapproved?
It depends on who you ask, take the "Music mod" - Dynamic Surroundings I mentioned earlier. I'm still waiting on the explanation from staff on why is it not allowed, when head staff allowed it.

Side question: Do you know what gives a bigger advantage than Dynamic Surroundings mod? Minecraft Subtitles. They show you the sound that's playing and the direction it's coming from, even when the sound is really faint.
 

DizWon

New Magician
Minecraft IGN: DizWon
Dark Follower Griffin
#15
Now it happened today, that I can not login to the server anymore, because it tells me I have LabyMod Addons which are not allowed, I shall look in the rules...

In the rules I found the same confusing stuff like month ago and this thread is about...

I read the post the Voice Chat addon was disabled a few days ago, but I don't have the Voice Chat addon...

What is wrong now? Is it an addon you disabled some single features from and now the whole addon itself is not allowed?
If yes it was a waste of time to think about single feutures and how to disable them, if the whole addon is going to be disabled anyway, isn't it?
Also it is more confusing, because as a player you think "if some features of an addon are disabled, the addon itself is allowed!" or "Why should someone disable single feeatures of an addon if the whole addon is not allowed?"

I don't want to deinstall every addons and setting them up new just to find out what is wrong now...
Could there please be some useful informations somehow and somewhere?
 

DizWon

New Magician
Minecraft IGN: DizWon
Dark Follower Griffin
#16
Sorry for double post, but seems to be exactly that problem I described here months ago and I indicated ith the last message...

I thought it was under review, cause nobody know anything about it, but nothing happened and now someone decided (without a review) to make the waste of time perfect...

Give me just one single logical reason why someone should invest time to disable some features like shown here, if it is clear to everyone that the whole addon will be blocked in the feature?
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Was this waste lof time (to diable this features) an unplanned mistake and the time could better be used for things that make sense or are there people who decide on there own without talking to other people about what they are doing or how could something like this happen...

You should better never have investesed a single second in thinking about or disabling single features of the LabyMod Minimap like "see other players" or "see dungeons in the underground", if it was really clear to EVERYBODY that the whole Map will be disabled one day...

Also I don't understand that post of the staff:
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Why do you block single features if the whole addon is blocked now??? That all doesn't make ny sense...
 

Pankakes

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: Pankakes_81
Griffin
#17
I read the post the Voice Chat addon was disabled a few days ago, but I don't have the Voice Chat addon...
I believe VoiceChat Labymod was disabled for a longer time, not just a few days ago.

Well, looking at Discord chat logs it seems, that anything that's not automatically disabled or listed as blacklisted under approved mods section, is allowed.
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Or at least I understand it this way.

New mods are made by day and I understand it's hard to keep up, however, many of the mods that players want approved have been around for a longer time. giving mods enough time to review them and decide whether or not they should be allowed or not.

I have started using the mod I've been asked to remove - Dynamic Surroundings, because:
  1. It's been 3 months now and I still haven't gotten a clear explanation from mods on why I should've removed it
  2. Another player was allowed to use DS. Why should I be discriminated ?
  3. It provides no advantage over others
  4. It has a nickname "Sound shaders", and Music mods and shaders are allowed
  5. dynamic.PNG

Inb4 someone comes screaming "professionalism" or "this server is professional" and says that written rules are above all and everyone should follow them to the Z.
 
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DizWon

New Magician
Minecraft IGN: DizWon
Dark Follower Griffin
#18
Yeah Voice Chat was listed as not allowed long time ago but a few days ago it has been blocked on server side...

See "Bug Fixes & Improvements [December 17th 2020]"...
Link: https://potterworldmc.com/threads/bug-fixes-improvements-december-17th-2020.7294/
There you can read under "Tweaks":
...
  • Laby Mod users can no longer use the voice chat addon on our server.
...

But I could join until today. Now after testing out I found out, it is the LabyMod Minimap like I described the confusing about it months ago...
I don't understand why the staff is using their strong limited time to disable single features of a addon which (the full addon) will be fully disabled by the staff in future, anyone else can see a sense there?
 

Pankakes

Animorphus
Minecraft IGN: Pankakes_81
Griffin
#19
Maybe it was supposed to be released way sooner and they forgot to edit it according to the changes that have already been made. After all, on average it takes 17,39 days for staff to respond to a thread and 97,96+ days under review. If you take a look at Feedback and suggestions, staff has now responded to threads from july & august
 

DizWon

New Magician
Minecraft IGN: DizWon
Dark Follower Griffin
#20
It's like you are thinking and discussing for years about what kind of eating chicken is allowed and you are creating hard and complex rules for it, just to forbid the eating of chicken completely afterwards...