Nerf Sniper

[MattyPoltergeist]

Sniper is overly-used, meaning it can be very hard to enter certain places without facing certain death. I also believe nerfing it would be a benefit to the attackers (which is needed).
Here's some possible solutions:
1) Get rid of the zoom
2) Make the cooldown longer
3) Do not allow the jump and sniper to be done simultaneously
4) Make a headshot 9 hearts instead of full.

If anyone has any more suggestions please comment them and I will add them

 

[Ivan_]

i think maps are the issue, i would maybe get rid of headshots in close range if possible. also doing 9 hearts would make kill steals very easy (which should be addressed as well anyway).

 

[Somnambulist]

I think sniper should be activated when players reach the 2nd checkpoint in both maps.

1) Get rid of the zoom

You can turn off zoom in Video > Dynamic FOV
I agree with #3 with having a cooldown after jumping so players aren't sniping whilst in the air.

 

[cheddarsoup]

I dislike this suggestion this would make the kit useless

 

[MattyPoltergeist]

I dislike this suggestion this would make the kit useless

I'm not suggesting to do all these at once - in fact im opposed to them implementing all these changes together. I'm giving them as individual possible solutions.

 

[TallBlondeDude]

revert 3 and add a reverse damage fall off so snipers can’t one shot within 30 blocks.

Close range sniping is way too strong, in other games it’s balanced out by the fact it’s high risk and snipers generally are harder to get/opportunity cost but the dps isn’t here rn to short term burst them down post flame nerf, as flame was the premier sniper counter funny enough

 

[Somnambulist]

The reload cooldown should be longer since it's usually a one shot compared to the other weapons.

 

[MattyPoltergeist]

Games still often have 2/3 of people playing sniper, making it hard to move anyway and easier to spawn kill. The leaderboard is also dominated by snipers. It still gives a significant boost to defenders, which is already easier. It also encourages people to just farm kills, rather than win - they should increase the win multiplication factor from 5 to *at least* 10.

 

[Somnambulist]

- Disable sniping if a sniper is on the same level as the payload. Forcing snipers to get on buildings.
- Extend the loading time so that a Sniper has to be standing still for 5 seconds before they can load or shoot.

 

[cheddarsoup]

- Disable sniping if a sniper is on the same level as the payload. Forcing snipers to get on buildings.
- Extend the loading time so that a Sniper has to be standing still for 5 seconds before they can load or shoot.

I don't think the first point would do anything productive for either side (people getting sniped/snipers)
5 seconds is crazy excessive but I do think the reload time could be increased a tiny bit

 

[Somnambulist]

I don't think the first point would do anything productive for either side (people getting sniped/snipers)
5 seconds is crazy excessive but I do think the reload time could be increased a tiny bit

For the first idea, I was thinking of the Star Battle FFA map which had terrain and snipers didn't have a level area to shoot at so they would usually hide in the trees. With Payload, the entire area is level so it gives a huge advantage to sniper kits due to the lack of terrain. Snipers don't really have to move their weapon in every axis in Payload compared to FFA.

As for extending the loading time, If they are able to one shot a player every ~3 seconds then that's really an op weapon for a game. But yeah, I think the timing needs to be considered because the reload seems faster and that's likely how Snipers are getting more kills.

 

[Somnambulist]

Here's an idea of how fast a good sniper can reload and kill players. Using LividK as an example here since they main the sniper kit.
The timing 11:01:11 to 11:01:20 nets 3 kills within 9 seconds.
Then at 11:02:24 to 11:02:37 nets 4 kills within 13 seconds.
LividK is really skilled with sniper, there's no doubt about that, but the sniper kit seems way OP for the Payload game due to the extremely short reload time and the one shot that usually happens.
I never timed or tested the other kits so I'm unable to compare how fast those kits can kill players.

 

[Jae ⊹₊ ⋆]

Hihi @MattyPoltergeist !!

Since this thread was made, we completed various changes to the sniper. We increased the cooldown time of the sniper to 2 seconds and prevented players from using the sniper in the air at all. We then changed this to prevent players from using the sniper while also using their jump pack. We acknowledge that these changes helped nerf sniper slightly, but our other big change we would like to make before next year's release would be to change the map. We have taken feedback from the feedback form and map ratings of minigames and would like to make some changes to accommodate less for snipers.

Thank you for making this thread. We really appreciate it! I hope you have a wonderful day/night